Obama a blessing and a curse for Kenya: PM

Q: Do you think the US letter threatening travel bans against certain Kenyan leaders will help or hinder the reform process?

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A: I can only speculate. The letter (from Assistant Secretary of State Johnnie Carson) was basically meant to put people on notice so they can be more proactive. I don’t think of it as blackmail. When I spoke with President Obama (on Wednesday evening at a reception Mr Obama hosted for world leaders), he said we should push harder for reforms. I said we were doing our best.

Q: Can you give some impressions of how President Obama feels about the situation in Kenya?

A: He is genuinely concerned. He wants to help us. But I sometimes think Obama’s roots in Kenya can actually be a problem. Kenya is always being held to different standards compared to neighbouring countries. We Kenyans should actually be proud to be held to higher standards rather than saying the standards should be lowered. We should never be complacent.

Q: Is the United States acting appropriately in its dealings with Kenya or is the US acting in a patronising way?

A: It seems at times we are being judged by what we were before. Not enough attention is being paid to the progress that has been made. There’s not sufficient information coming over to this side about what is actually happening in Kenya.

Our society is much more open and transparent now than previously. We have a very vibrant media, a strong and active civil society. And there are now so many whistle blowers that any kind of impropriety may get blown out of proportion.

A lot of it (corruption) is being nipped in the bud. There are now strong institutions under the Prime Minister’s office: the inspectorate of state corporations and the efficiency monitoring unit. These are the two institutions I use for investigating whenever somebody has come to us as a whistle blower.

Never since we came to power has there been anything like the Goldenberg scandal. We have worked very hard to reduce corruption. We sacked the managing director of the Kenya Bureau of Standards. At the Prime Minister’s roundtable, which is held quarterly with government ministers and the private sector, issues are raised and they are answered there and then. We have greatly reduced the amount of corruption in the system.

We have taken efficiency steps as well that are helping the private sector. We have managed to make the Port of Mombasa a 24-hour port. We have reduced the number of roadblocks on the highway from Mombasa to the border with Uganda from 58 to 15.

All these efforts are not being appreciated because we don’t stand on the roof top and shout about it. So the Kenyan society is changing, which is what I have tried to impress upon President Obama and Johnnie Carson. And we have agreed to keep talking with one another. And we Kenyans have said we will not be complacent.

I also mentioned some of this to Hillary Clinton when I had a discussion with her over lunch three days ago. I told her she should not shy away from criticising us. I said we should be told where we are going wrong because it helps us get better. But I also said there shouldn’t just be sticks and no carrots. I told Johnnie Carson the same thing.

Q: And at the same time, the United States would probably resent if Kenya told the US what it’s doing wrong.

A: Standards sometimes are different. There’s one language spoken about Kenya and another about Saudi Arabia or Egypt.

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